Radical Sacred Podcast Episode

I was really pleased to join Jenny Misslin and Phillip Dieke on their podcast Radical Sacred for Episode 18 of Season 3. We had a genuinely fun and thoughtful conversation about prayer and my book Abiding in Amen: Prayer in a Secular Age.

We wandered (in the best way) through why prayer can be so hard, what we even mean when we say “secular,” birdwatching, The Big Lebowski, and how prayer and activism belong in the same conversation. It was one of those dialogues that felt spacious, curious, and alive.

I hope you’ll give it a listen:

🎧 Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7dlA2xuPu2snTEEnygEvfW?si=f5MgkQhoTEOwwZGhQOi_8Q

🎧 Apple Podcasts:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wes-ellis-and-abiding-in-amen/id1722132249?i=1000747978974

🎧 Pocket Casts:
https://pca.st/xcefglzm

—and probably anywhere else you get your podcasts.

Grateful for Jenny and Phillip and the good work they’re doing with Radical Sacred. Give it a listen and let me know what resonates.