is it true?


There's a great conversation going on over at demerging that I encourage you guys to join in. The conversation is on the infallability of the Bible. Here is a comment I made. What do you guys think?



great, thought provocing post...

It's easy to question some of the hisorical details of scripture. There are symbolic and metaphorical texts. It's poetry, conversation, history, letters, dialog... it's beautiful.

Many people think, for example, that Jesus gave the sermon on the mount over a three year period instead of all at once (see marcus J Borg, historian scholar and author.)

I find it interesting that john wrote his gospel to a specific region in which they worshipped a goddess and two gods. the names have slipped my memoery right now. They worshipped the goddess of wine whose big thing was to change water into wine, a symbol of restoration. (when they drank wine, like at a wedding party, it would constanly get watered down. This goddess kept the party going by making the water wine again.) they also served the god of healing and the god of bread. What, in Johns gospel, do we find Jesus doing in His first three miracles? Changing water into wine at a party, healing, and feeding thousands of people. Did these things actually happen or did John write this to make a point. Remember Luke told us in the beginning of his gospel that he was writing to tell us what happened and John says he's writing "so that you may believe."

The question we must ask is does something have to have actually happened for it to be true?

Can we find some kind of truth value outside the box of historical acuracy?

I'm not saying Jesus didn't change water into wine, necesarily, but if He didn't would He still be the one who changes water into wine?

we need to take the Bible outside it's box...

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bruced said…
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bruced said…
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hey bruced, Pastor Art is really a pastor...just wanted to clairfy...
this is from his wife,
and...In second peter, peter calls the writings of Paul Scripture...
also, most of the "stories" that are in question are in the Old Testament anyway, so Bobbie, using 2 Tim.3:16 can defend the truth of Noah (almost every people group has a flood story), Jonah, Daniel, etc. And there is more evidence to prove that Jesus lived, and was crucified, than to prove that Alexander the great exisited.
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wellis68 said…
Bruce,
I would appretiate it if you wouldn't be so sarcastic on my blog, please. Marryellen makes an interesting point that I appretiate. The people of Pauls time obviousely held new testament writing to a very high level and only once but, yes it was regarded as scripture. I believe the New Testament to be central to our faith which makes it scripture as far as I'm concerned.
wellis68 said…
Stop calling yourself Pastor Bruce it's very condesending to Pastor Art who deserves the title, I honor pastor Art and ask, in very common language, if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all. Thank you.
bruced said…
No prob, bro. Over and out.
cindy said…
Stop calling yourself Pastor Bruce it's very condesending to Pastor Art who deserves the title, I honor pastor Art and ask, in very common language, if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all. Thank you.

wes,
are you suggesting that just because your friend has a title of "pastor", he should be placed on some kind of pedestal and given respect for it?

art,
does your title really make you so enlightened and so special that you should deserve more respect than anyone else? also, does your title make it beneth you to stick up for yourself? do you really need people who are beneth you like wes to do your dirty work?

eddie
wellis68 said…
eddie,

No, I just don't find it good to call yourself "pastor" in order to mock someone else. Pastor Art is a pastor, yes it's a title, but he's a pastor so I don't mind calling him that. Why do you call somone doctor or even Mr.? It's just a title. Pastor Art refers to himself as pastor Art bruce just did it to be "funny" and sarcastic.

-Wes