tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post5312254041522855350..comments2024-01-29T14:24:46.852-05:00Comments on Wes Ellis: Getting Sh*t Done wellis68http://www.blogger.com/profile/06087588494600746854noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-24196101114383244832013-07-12T11:16:13.153-04:002013-07-12T11:16:13.153-04:00Yeah... you're probably right...
I could have...Yeah... you're probably right...<br /><br />I could have explained what I meant more clearly... perhaps with some Niebuhrian reference... <br /><br />But hopefully my point came through, that theology (even systematic theology!) cannot be avoided or skipped on the way to actually getting stuff done.wellis68https://www.blogger.com/profile/06087588494600746854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-26082028927487100342013-07-06T20:10:39.681-04:002013-07-06T20:10:39.681-04:00It's not a matter of confusion, I was talking ...It's not a matter of confusion, I was talking about a matter of clarity. What you seem to be talking about is pragmatism, which those like Kissinger designated realpolitick. Namely, dealing with the world we're in and making the best of the situation. This seems to be what UCC and similar liberal denominations have set out to do. I just don't think the term "efficiency" is particularly clear or a fair representation of what those denominations do. <br /><br />Also, I am not as much an expert on theology, so maybe there is some theologians you have read that have talked about this social efficiency and maybe I'm just ignorant as to their existence.Danny Kamhttp://verdugohs.net/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-34893358986925370112013-07-06T15:22:15.841-04:002013-07-06T15:22:15.841-04:00Realpolitick, huh? Yeah, that's less confusing...Realpolitick, huh? Yeah, that's less confusing. wellis68https://www.blogger.com/profile/06087588494600746854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-30183140753739211112013-07-06T01:47:48.040-04:002013-07-06T01:47:48.040-04:00I'm not sure what you mean by efficiency here....I'm not sure what you mean by efficiency here. I don't think Wesleyans or your own denomination would talk in terms of "efficiency." Efficiency, to me, seems more like an industrial term. Gould, Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Ford were all famous for breaking things down into "doable" tasks and then making them more efficient through machinery. Throwing "social" in front of the word efficiency seems to be even more a confusion in terms. I think you might better use pragmatism or realpolitick if you want to talk in term of social practice, as this is what it seems that Wesleyans and the UCC people do. Danny Kamhttp://verdugohs.net/blognoreply@blogger.com