tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post114393714683544758..comments2024-01-29T14:24:46.852-05:00Comments on Wes Ellis: the truth is out therewellis68http://www.blogger.com/profile/06087588494600746854noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-1144206415375747402006-04-04T23:06:00.000-04:002006-04-04T23:06:00.000-04:00Yes, Wes, you answered my question.Yes, Wes, you answered my question.Dan McGowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09523180205289209777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-1144189768005727292006-04-04T18:29:00.000-04:002006-04-04T18:29:00.000-04:00Dan,My answer to the initial question was yes... "...Dan,<BR/>My answer to the initial question was yes... "There is ultimate truth and I believe it can be known." But you've added a new part to your question; "is there... a much broader 'truth' that can be found through more than what Christianity has to offer?" the answer to this is also yes. there isn't an 'either/or' to this question. There is one ultimate truth and some of it can be found outside of Christianity. But if we do well for ourselves it will not stay outside of Christianity. <BR/><BR/>Jusaism is my favorite example. The jews have a rich understanding of our Old Testament. When the jews say something about what's going on in Scriptures we should listen. Budhism has alot to offer as well. Their transcendant philosophy and their understanding of the interconnectedness of people offers alot for us to consider and apply to the way we see the Church. It isn't that all of their ideas are true but whenever we see the truth we should affirm it. Everyone has access to truth. If this is true then our job isn't always to tell them where they are wrong but it is to show them where that truth comes from. All truth is God's truth.<BR/><BR/>I hope I have answered you question.<BR/>Shalom,<BR/>Weswellis68https://www.blogger.com/profile/06087588494600746854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-1144153415268757392006-04-04T08:23:00.000-04:002006-04-04T08:23:00.000-04:00I went back and re-read the post that heads this t...I went back and re-read the post that heads this thread and am still not sure why you brought up the issue of being saved in your reply to me... I never spoke to that... nor does your initial post. I am simply asking if such a thing actually exists as "ultimate truth?" Is there "one truth" that we can and should adhere to or is there, as you suggest in your post, a much broader "truth" that can be found through more than what Christianity has to offer? <BR/><BR/>Teresa, I'm glad you liked Wes' reply to me though I'm not sure it really answered the question I asked... are you?Dan McGowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09523180205289209777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-1144117558821143262006-04-03T22:25:00.000-04:002006-04-03T22:25:00.000-04:00Well said! Jim, I like your comments and Wes I rea...Well said! Jim, I like your comments and Wes I really liked your response to Dan.IMOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01267268485213020773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-1144084170797840372006-04-03T13:09:00.000-04:002006-04-03T13:09:00.000-04:00Dan,There is ultimate truth and I believe it can b...Dan,<BR/>There is ultimate truth and I believe it can be known. I just don't think we're required to know it in order to be saved. We're required to believe it. Faith is a parodox. Faith is belief, even a sort of certainty in the things of which we may not be certain. We are called to faith.wellis68https://www.blogger.com/profile/06087588494600746854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-1144079937761996052006-04-03T11:58:00.000-04:002006-04-03T11:58:00.000-04:00So - does ultimate truth actually exist? Is there ...So - does ultimate truth actually exist? Is there anything in scripture to answer that, apparently, very difficult question to answer?Dan McGowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09523180205289209777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-1144012118357981682006-04-02T17:08:00.000-04:002006-04-02T17:08:00.000-04:00"The problems don’t come when we’re uncertain of o..."The problems don’t come when we’re uncertain of our faith. Real problems come when we are so certain that we start to think that our faith is the only faith that has any access to truth."<BR/><BR/>Boy Wes, you nailed an extremely important point. I've been in a debate on a message board where I'm getting beat up because I'm too blind to see their truth, which is indisputably the ONLY truth. I've also been told there how easy it is to understand if you are truly saved.<BR/><BR/>I believe God made the bible hard to make us work for understanding. He is giving us the gift of eternal life and I believe He expects us to do some heavy lifting along the way. Why shouldn't we? He is giving us blessing infinitely beyond what we could ever deserve--why should it be easy? People learn differnt things at different points in their walk, and we can all learn from people sharing the pieces of truth they have been led to.EncouragingWordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17140742020232237724noreply@blogger.com