tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post114263214025532385..comments2024-01-29T14:24:46.852-05:00Comments on Wes Ellis: Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more.wellis68http://www.blogger.com/profile/06087588494600746854noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-1142841284904494772006-03-20T02:54:00.000-05:002006-03-20T02:54:00.000-05:00bruced question is interesting.Wes, does "Neither ...bruced question is interesting.<BR/>Wes, does "Neither do I condemn you" mean "what you are doing is ok?" I don't think so. I think Jesus is saying that he isn't writing her off as lost. She's not a hopeless case. He is giving her another chance. We can not condemn because we can never write anyone off as lost or hopeless. But that doesn't mean we don't warn them that they are sinning, and should indeed "sin no more".<BR/>Some of Paul's letters seem to deal with the idea that people were beginning to believe that since we were saved by grace, we could do anything and still "get in". That they wouldn't be condemned by Jesus, as long as they had faith. Jesus' death on the cross wasn't God's way of saying, OK guys, nothing is sin anymore...relaxArthur Brokop IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15347223269423770913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-1142718989253195622006-03-18T16:56:00.000-05:002006-03-18T16:56:00.000-05:00Is it possible that He was saying "sin no more", n...Is it possible that He was saying "sin no more", not referring to a command to which she must adhere... but that the Christ is arrived, and sin "is no more"?brucedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839887792626090688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-1142697848008742882006-03-18T11:04:00.000-05:002006-03-18T11:04:00.000-05:00It seems to me that the way many respond to "sinne...It seems to me that the way many respond to "sinners" is....<BR/><BR/>Go and sin no more....then...neither do I condemn you.<BR/><BR/>Christ died for us while we were yet sinners. I wonder if we don't get the repent thing all backwards too. Maybe the repenting (changing of our minds) needs to take place more in the minds of those who demand change before acceptance. Maybe we need to repent of seeing God as angry against sinners rather than their redeemer.<BR/><BR/>It is very difficult to receive anything positive from another when they are pointing an accusing finger at you.<BR/><BR/>In 2 Cor 5:19 Paul seems to be saying that because of the reconciliation granted to the world through Christ, that he does not hold sin agianst us. <BR/><BR/>IMHO that is where we so often fail. We do hold sins against others.<BR/><BR/>Just my 2 cents.SteveWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11297300421121106669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-1142653656613356832006-03-17T22:47:00.000-05:002006-03-17T22:47:00.000-05:00Wes,I'm slow, but I'm hearing you. It is good to ...Wes,<BR/><BR/>I'm slow, but I'm hearing you. It is good to let that whirlwind go. Take a breather, let it rest. I will find relief in that.<BR/><BR/>Many blessings...Agent Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17797031158032033042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-1142647901848946922006-03-17T21:11:00.000-05:002006-03-17T21:11:00.000-05:00Mike,This post was not really supposed to be direc...Mike,<BR/>This post was not really supposed to be directly connected to the homosexuality posts. I am not accusing anyone here, on my blog, to be in the pharisee camp. <BR/><BR/>To be honest this post has more to do with me finding myself in the pharisee camp than anyone else. This post is for me. <BR/><BR/>I didn't bring homosexuality up to argue or debate (I should have picked a better title for my post). My blog is more for me to get my thoughts out than it is to argue over things. I did not anticipate the sort of debate we've been having. It's not how I expected it. I honestly thought that we could get away from the debate and agree that the Church is not treating homosexuality in a very responsible manner and then maybe find a way to deal with that. I have seen now that that is not as easy to agree on as I though it was. Maybe we can't get past the debate. <BR/><BR/>Please don't expect perfect exegesis from me all the time. I simply posted what I recieved from the text this time.<BR/><BR/>I'm hoping the homosexuality issue will quiet down on this blog.<BR/><BR/>Shalom, <BR/>Weswellis68https://www.blogger.com/profile/06087588494600746854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11928317.post-1142633199564771302006-03-17T17:06:00.000-05:002006-03-17T17:06:00.000-05:00Wes,I am not exegeting, or even reading the passag...Wes,<BR/><BR/>I am not exegeting, or even reading the passage for myself at this moment (no time just now), but a couple of things immediately clammor for my observation.<BR/><BR/>1) This text is an interpolation. We cannot actually study it in context really.<BR/><BR/>2) I think the Pharisees brought the woman in order to test Jesus. Therefore, it is not so much that they were hunting sinners as using them to test Jesus.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, I too, seek gracious ways of dealing with tough situations. I appreciate your desire to do that too.<BR/><BR/>However, I have been reading your blog off and on for several months and I have not read anyone ranting on homosexuality here. No one has sought to judge or rid the world of sin at the expense of banishing or killing. Rather, you have ranted that Christians in other places and times do these kinds of things, which is true. However, the dogs were sleeping until you stirred them. And even then, I am not convinced that any here were the ferocious kind.<BR/><BR/>What stirrs this up for you? Why this setting, and this way of raising the issue? Has it gone like you imagined? <BR/><BR/>I wish you well. <BR/><BR/>Many blessings....Agent Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17797031158032033042noreply@blogger.com